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« Reply #80 on: October 04, 2011, 01:57:58 AM »

The Jeep hasn't had more than 5 gallons of fuel in it since the fuel pump assembly was modded. I'm curious if it would behave in the same manner with a full tank. Wondering if the problem worsens as the fuel level drops, or if the pick up can't get fuel as the fuel in the tanks shift to the passenger side. Obviously won't test that theory prior to dropping the tank.

I will have to postpone picking up my trailer until Wednesday, as that will be when the go/no go decision is made.

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« Reply #81 on: October 12, 2011, 12:29:24 AM »

Could be a cracked pressuretube after the pump. I've been at that point with my son's Stratus too when it was all the way cracked and didn't get the right pressure. Everything is made of plastic so it tend to crack as getting old. And I even got a brand new pump assembly with a cracked pressure tube, waiting for another one now...
Have you checked the pressure in the system when driving? Put a gauge on the line and tape it on the outside of the window so you can monitor it when driving and can actually see what happends when it start stumbling. Keep us posted!
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« Reply #82 on: October 12, 2011, 09:40:15 AM »

Thanks for the suggestion Sten. Jed mentioned a simliar problem with the Dodge Neons. We are moving in the direction of fuel pressure confirmation etc... Bill and I have a few pictures to upload, and will do so very soon. icon_blackeye

We worked on the Jeep for a few hours yesterday.

The speedometer wasn't working, and that certainly wouldn't allow the ECU to learn effectively. We fixed that first.

Bill wired a ground strap from the block to the chassis. The car alarm began to function properly afterwards!  happy3 Additional ground straps will be wired.

Hopefully, the reverse lights begin to work with the addition of more ground straps. If so, we will wire the rear bumper lights to work in unison.

We will test the MSD ignition coil again after the addition of more ground straps. In the past, the MSD ignition coil caused the ZJ to stall after 10 minutes of driving.

The timing checked out perfectly. We wanted to eliminate this as a possible cause.

I stopped by Auto Zone last night to see if they loaned out any fuel pressure tools. No luck. We will absolutely be checking fuel pressure at the fuel rail. We understood there to be 49 pounds for Mopar, but it's possible the the early ZJ's run at 39 pounds. In the meantime, we will put a couple hundred miles on the motor to allow for the ECU to continue learning.

I swapped the silver 5.9 ZJ louvred hood in place of the stock 5.2 ZJ hood. Eventually, I'll need to paint it black to avoid the perception of being a member of Raider Nation.

The brakes are working good enough, but they should drastically improve with more vaacuum. Eventually hydro-assist will be added, but for now it will probably be a matter of cleaning up the rotors and installing a vaacuum can.

The fuel injector clips/pigtails will all be re-wired at some point.

The cb will be installed soon.

The new 2012 goal for the ZJ is to run Moab and the Rubicon!

John
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« Reply #83 on: October 12, 2011, 02:57:43 PM »

...as you mentioned when you connected the pressure regulator to the vacuum line did the engine start to go worse. That could explain that you're low with the pressure and when connected the vacuum line you did actually go even lower as it lower the line pressure a bit with high vacuum. 
And for those coils have I seen many who work properly when cold but kill the spark when heated up but working again when cooled down a bit so some tend to be "overheated" in use.
Hope you find the failing link. /Sten
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« Reply #84 on: October 13, 2011, 06:38:36 PM »

O'Reilly/AutoZone do not have fuel pressure testers available for loan. I found the following products for sale at Napa:

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=BK_7002336_0006398464

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=BK_7001487_0006398464

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=BK_7001512_0282510959

I'm not sure if that last item only tests from the gas tank fill tube or what...

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« Reply #85 on: October 13, 2011, 11:21:07 PM »

O'Reilly/AutoZone do not have fuel pressure testers available for loan. I found the following products for sale at Napa:

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=BK_7002336_0006398464

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=BK_7001487_0006398464

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=BK_7001512_0282510959

I'm not sure if that last item only tests from the gas tank fill tube or what...

John

It does look like as you figured out, just a pressure test for tank and line. But you should look for a little valve at or near the fuel rail to screw on a the tester. It looks like a filler pipe on a tire with a needle in the middle. But not all have that test valve and you need a special fuel pressure test adapter that fit between the fuel supply line and the fuel rail and that adapter hose have a test valve fitting for the pressure gauge. It's weird that not all of the engines have that testvalve but try locate it somewere or on the fuelrail. Hope that you find the test valve and don't have to mess around with the adapter. Good luck! 
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« Reply #86 on: October 14, 2011, 01:40:17 AM »

Sten,

There is a schrader type fitting on the fuel rail. Bill crosschecked, and found that Mopar used the same regulator for the 5.2 and 4.0 engines. There are several options available to provide the desired fuel pressure needed to supply the 30# injectors.

I just purchased the following item from AutoZone:

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/Gp-Sorensen-Fuel-Pressure-Regulator/1993-Dodge-Caravan-2WD/_/N-j8nq7Z8vd1h?counter=0&itemIdentifier=221959_0_0_

That should do the trick. I went in to place an order and pay for it, but they actually had one in stock! Of course, they had a lifetime supply of every guage wire known to man, except for the 10 guage wire that I needed! Go figure! Tongue
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« Reply #87 on: October 14, 2011, 01:07:39 PM »

Hope you get everything sorted out now and keep us posted with your progress!
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« Reply #88 on: September 01, 2012, 05:00:42 PM »

I received the carrier bearings, ring gear bolts, and gasket from Randy's Ring and Pinion on Wednesday. I received my mean green alternator from Spray It Racing on Thursday.

I placed a $100 bet for the Bears to win the Super Bowl. Unfortunately, the odds dropped from 20:1 to 18:1 by the time the bet got placed. I'm not much of a gambler, but I've pissed away $100 in much more foolish ways on many occasions. Anyhow, I just got DirecTV installed. I haven't had anything other than rabbit ears or digital tv converter box since 2000, and was lucky to get a single local station. I couldn't refuse when they threw in the NFL network for free. Go Bears!

I will AAA the ZJ back to my house this Wednesday. I purchased a fuel pressure tester on eBay. Tropical storm Isaac stuck a monkey wrench in my plans of receiving it prior to the long holiday weekend.

I've got somebody coming to look at my 79 Mazda RX7 tomorrow. They seem really interested, so hopefully it will be gone to make room in the driveway for the ZJ.

I will most likely list my 2002 Honda XR 650R on CL next weekend after I get the registration current.

Tripping over projects and storing projects off site is getting very old. I'm old(er) and tired(er)... Time to simplify my life. Heck, I'm going to have to get rid of all of this crap if I ever do trick a girl into marrying me.

Have a great weekend everybody,

John
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« Reply #89 on: September 07, 2012, 03:02:13 AM »

Jeep came home last night!

Fuel pressure tester arrived a couple of days ago.

The dude who wanted to buy my RX7 can't purchase it because the motor blew on his daily driver. I'll list it on some Mazda forums this weekend.

DMV appointment tomorrow morning to get my XR650R current. Then it's up for sale.

The plan is to install the Detroit locker and alternator, as well as troubleshoot the fuel pressure issue.

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